They can take their time and pick their shots. when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. Spl. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum. Today we have better bullets than when I was a kid. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. I have become a 35 cal. Can't really imagine one cartridge doing anything the other couldn't, though the availability of bigger bullets and way more factory ammo (if wanted) are definite pluses for the Mauser. If the .35 Rem. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. For the handloader, as the accompanying table demonstrates, the .358 Norma Magnum provides an almost unbelievable range of possibilities, from loads light enough for gallery shooting to heavy enough. Three rivals: (1) .338 Winchester Magnum, (2) .358 Norma Magnum and (3) .375 H&H. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. Where does the .358 Norma sit, in comparison to the more popular cartridges in its class? as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. An earlier Western Cartridge load delivered 2,660 fps, which I suspect is closer to the truth. Also, after a few dozen elk hunts, Ive seen many taken effectively with lighter cartridges. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. However, that may be changing, or at least the possibility of change may exist. 9.3x62 boots 320gr Woodleigh protected points and weldcore round noses out at 2400 fps with RL-17. Most ammunition makers have a 200-grain load, and Remington also has a 150-grain load with a muzzle velocity of 2300 f.p.s. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. I rely on, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium. The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. 1 Item (s) Show per page. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? of energy at the muzzle. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. Thats a question I just dont understand. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. Norma Projektilfabrik answered Winchesters designs with a pair of their own: the .308 Norma Magnum and its slightly older brother, the .358 Norma Magnum. The .350 Rem. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. and a 250-grain Partition load with a muzzle velocity of 2550 f.p.s. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. .50 BMG. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. I could get brass easy from each by forming parent cases, 308 and 30-06. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. Give a Gift At the same time, it will do almost everything the .375 will but with vastly more versatility. Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. This raises the obvious question: Why, with so many modern cartridges around of more or less equal power, chambered in readily available rifles, is there this lingering interest in, and loyalty to, the .358 Norma? Mag. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. Mag. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. On a 600 pound animal like a big bull elk the optimum game range of the .308 (180 grain bullet at a MV of 2610 fps) is a useful 175 yards. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. Subscriber Services. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. I have never lost an elk, and I do not recall ever tracking one for recovery. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. The .35 Whelen fires a larger .358 bullet and is therefore right at the cusp of being a big game caliber and is capable of handling everything except . Mag. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. I have one, and I like it a lot. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Between the .25s and the .35s are dozens of cartridges that are versatile and suitable. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Quite a difference! Tried and true. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. How it would have done on a live animal is impossible to say. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. Mag. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. Energy figures have it knocking at the door of 375H&H. The .300 Rem. The Swedish firm of A.B. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. The .35 Rem. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? Around eight pounds set to go is a good compromise. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. However, the small bore cartridges from .24 to .32 caliber have proven quite reliable on these smaller animals, so I am not going to argue that anyone needs a .35 to hunt CXP2 class game. The numerous magnum .30s are also excellent, but they deliver more recoil. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Its also worth noting that, in spite of its relative obscurity, the cartridge appears in many of the most recent loading manuals, including Normas own, a worthwhile addition to anyones reloading library. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. In Johanssons case, disdain for serious training left him vulnerable when the superbly conditioned Patterson came back a year later, gave him a dazzling boxing lesson and reclaimed the title. ), but with considerably less recoil. plowed fresh ground. to achieve its potential. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. The writings of Robert Ruark certainly helped the reputation of the cartridge and the company, as Ruark put his young PH Harry Selby and the .416 Rigby rifle he carried on a pedestal. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums.